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There's a big bee emergency in Yellowstone National Park after a semi-truck carrying dozens of beehives crashed Tuesday.

Dalton Broadus of West Yellowstone, Montana, was driving north along U.S. Highway 191 around 9 a.m. Tuesday when he drove past the scene.

Damaged and destroyed beehives were scattered across a quarter-mile stretch of road. Bees were swarming his vehicle, several tow trucks and a Yellowstone ambulance were at the scene, and someone in a beekeeping suit was already assessing the area.

“It happened about an hour before I got there, I believe,” Broadus said.

The Gallatin County Sheriff’s Office, Hebgen Basin Fire/EMS, the Montana Department of Transportation, and the Montana Department of Agriculture responded to the scene.

James Peterson, dispatch manager for Eaton Road Solutions, told Cowboy State Daily his company received a call from the National Park Service to recover the flipped semi-truck. He wasn’t sure what caused the accident.

“We brought three recovery trucks and two traffic-control trucks from Idaho Falls,” he said. “It took us about three hours to get it back up.”

Peterson said Eaton’s crews were heading back to the scene Wednesday night to start recovering the damaged hives and, hopefully, the bees that had been residing inside.

“We’ve been working one-on-one with the company (that owns the hives), and they’re trying to save what they can,” he said.

The crews will require bee suits while on the scene. Fortunately, Eaton already had some at the ready.

“We haven’t dealt much with bees,” Peterson said. “This was our second bee call in 15 years, and we still have the beekeeping suits we got for the first call."

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After viewing Broadus’s video, Cheyenne venture capitalist and beekeeper Michael Jordan said that, from what he could see, the incident was “a devastating loss” for all involved.

“From the way it looks. I’d think about 40 to 50 percent of what’s there is salvageable, maybe,” he said. “It’s a big dump across a long section, so I’d say they’ve got a three-day ordeal ahead of them.”

According to Jordan, an average honey box can hold between 75,000 and 125,000 bees. Each box costs around $500 and generates $2,000 in profit from honey production.

A semi-truck like the one that crashed can carry 250 to 500 honey boxes, and potentially double that if they’re trying to save space.

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That’s easily millions of bees and hundreds of thousands of dollars lost in Yellowstone.

Jordan has been involved in similar incidents. He helped coordinate a salvage effort after a beehive-carrying semi-truck was involved in an incident on I-80 near Arlington.

“The first four hours are critical,” he said. “The truck drivers, the insurance company, and the owners of the colonies have to work together and approve everything. Somebody on-site is going to be the manager, and they’ll figure out how to fix the problem, so there’s a lot of communication that needs to happen.”

In this incident, all parties will have to coordinate with the Park Service. They’ll need to have a lot of input, given the accident happened in Yellowstone, and fines could be assessed.

“When your boat sinks in Glendale Lake, they charge you for littering, not to mention salvage,” Jordan said. “It’s going to be a pretty big loss, and that’s just the property damage. The owners will need approval from the insurance companies, and then there’s whatever liability the trucking company will have with the NPS. If the mitigation takes too long, they could lose everything."

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Jordan wasn’t sure how the NPS would manage a 500-hive bee recovery in Yellowstone.

In a high-traffic area, such as a highway through Yellowstone during the summer, the first step in a successful recovery might be to call the fire department, he said. That’s potentially the worst-case scenario for the bees and the beekeepers, but the quickest solution for the NPS.

“If the bees are deemed a hazard to traffic, the fire department might go ahead and foam the whole area,” Jordan said. “That kills everything in the area, but you can go in and clear everything out without having to close down the highway.”

As for the bees, Jordan said everyone involved in the salvage operation must make critical moves within 48 hours. That’s how long they have before the surviving bees move on.

“The queens are going to be looking for locations where they feel safe,” he said. “If you can’t get new hives set up in 48 hours, the queens will migrate and leave a pheromone trail that the bees accommodating her in that hive will follow.”

Tracking down and individually placing the queens in new or rebuilt honey boxes is the best strategy, assuming the surviving queens can be located. Otherwise, there might be a big bee population in northwest Yellowstone.

“If the queens are in Yellowstone, they’re going to migrate into Yellowstone’s forests,” he said. “You can prevent that if you find the queens and put them in individual hives, but you have 48 hours to do it.”

When Jordan helped salvage the scene near Arlington, they successfully recovered 70% of the bees that had been on the semi-truck. They accomplished this by quickly setting up new honey boxes in a safe spot near the scene.

“Bees are very communal,” he said. “They work on a swarm mentality, and they can migrate and integrate into a new colony pretty easily. Once the new housing is set up, they’ll typically migrate to those locations within 24 hours.”

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Jordan imagines the companies that owned the damaged honey boxes are coordinating a large response and rushing new housing to the scene.

“I’d say salvaging those colonies and hives will be a three-day ordeal, working 18 hours a day,” he said. “It depends on who’s managing the cleanup. The owners will want to keep as much product as they can, and there are many factors that go into that.”

That already complicated and urgent effort will likely become even more complex, given that it all needs to happen within a national park. The NPS might implement its own strategy to ensure the safety of visitors, traffic and the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem.

, a Yellowstone spokesperson said there were no reported injuries.

"Although the highway remains open, expect delays and traffic control measures as cleanup and mitigation work continue at the site of the accident,” the statement reads.

Broadus had the same takeaway from the incident as he’s had for years driving that 55-mph section of road in Yellowstone's northwest corner: slow down.

“I’m surprised there aren’t more accidents like this,” he said. “I drive from West Yellowstone every day during the summer. People speed quite a bit and pass within tight margins of oncoming traffic. They need to slow down.”

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“I feel bad for all the people involved,” Jordan said. “There could be two or three owners of those hives, and that’s a lot of money. That’s their livelihood. That’s at least one whole company that has to rebuild.”

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<title>Semitruck Carrying Millions Of Bees Crashes In Yellowstone National Park | Cowboy State Daily</title>

A semitruck carrying millions of honeybees flipped over on U.S. Highway 191 in Yellowstone National Park on Tuesday. Cheyenne beekeeper Michael Jordan called the scene "a devastating loss" of hundreds of thousands of dollars to the owners of the bees.

Semitruck Carrying Millions Of Bees Crashes In Yellowstone National Park

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A mishmash of factors including drought are causing a historic cattle shortage that's led to a continuing tightened beef supply across the United States, which in turn has beef at record-high prices.

Yet people are still buying beef and showing a willingness to pay a higher price for it.

While the situation looks bleak now, Wyoming ranchers are optimistic 

 confident that herds will be rebuilt eventually and that, one of these days, it will rain 

, a shortage analysts expect will continue pushing prices higher through at least next year.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports 2027 prices are expected to be even higher because of continued limited supply.

Drought, rising production costs, an aging ranching population and concerns about livestock disease have combined to make rebuilding the nation's herd a slow and expensive proposition.

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For former National Cattlemen's Beef Association president and Laramie County rancher Mark Eisele, one factor towers above the rest.

"This is about drought, pure and simple," Eisele told Cowboy State Daily. "It's as big and as widespread as it's ever been."

Eisele said he is considering selling calves and yearlings earlier than usual this year because pastures have not produced enough forage to sustain his herd.

"You used to be able to go over to the next valley and rent some grass or buy some hay," he said. "You might even go over into the next county or the next state. Now, that's not an option."

When drought forces ranchers to sell breeding cows, rebuilding takes years, Eisele said. Producers must retain heifers that otherwise would have gone to market, reducing beef supplies in the short term before increasing them later.

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Unlike other agricultural sectors, cattle production cannot be ramped up quickly.

Todd Fornstrom, Wyoming Farm Bureau President and a rancher, sees herd building as a long game.

It can take two years or more for cows to give birth. At one year, a calf is old enough for the breeding system, Fornstrom said, but it will still be another year at least before that calf has a chance of breeding.

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“You have to make the decision to sell them or keep them for rebreeding,” Fornstrom told Cowboy State Daily.  

Fornstrom said he is choosing this year to sell off his calves, because he is earning all-time highs.

“The decision I’m making right now is, when I’m at an all-time high of selling calves, do I sell now and reinvest that money into my operation or do I retain my calves?” he said. “Ranchers are making those tough decisions.”

Overall, Fornstrom said Wyoming ranchers are retaining more cattle this year than they did last year. While that might be good news, “that’s only the start of the relief, because we still have two years before the calves are even able to breed,” he said.

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Eisele said another obstacle to strengthening the cattle supply is demographics.

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"We've got a lot of older producers who see good prices and they're wanting out," Eisele said. "But the capital to get in — for the land and the equipment — is so much higher now. So young people aren't getting in."

He said many younger would-be ranchers watched parents and grandparents work seven days a week while struggling to make ends meet.

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President Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act has tried to make the ranching sector more attractive for young people, Eisele added.

“It’s great,” he said. “But it’s coming a little late to the party.”

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 isn’t a direct threat to Wyoming cattle, but restrictions tied to the parasite are tightening overall beef supplies.

, the screwworm dynamic can complicate ranchers’ decisions, Fornstrom said.

“If I don’t have the feed for these cows, where do they go? What does it cost to take them there?” he said. “I obviously don't want to go too far south to get them anywhere near the screwworm outbreak.”

Compounding the supply shortage is the closure of the U.S.-Mexico border to cattle imports.

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“Were not importing Mexican beef into the U.S., so that pinches (the supply) further,” Fornstrom said.  

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Eisele also voiced concerns about expanding beef imports from countries where he believes disease-monitoring standards are more lax than those in the United States. He said maintaining confidence in USDA-inspected beef remains important to American producers.

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JBS recently announced plans to close a beef-production plant in Pennsylvania and a processing facility in Tennessee.

Last fall, Tyson Foods shuttered its beef-processing plant in Lexington, Nebraska, the town’s largest employer. The closure resulted in an approximate 5% cut to the daily total U.S. beef slaughter capacity.

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Eisele said that speaks to the public’s seal of approval of USDA-inspected meat.

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"Nobody celebrates a big business meal with a chicken leg," Eisele said.

Fornstrom said he believes demand is still strong for beef because it is a high-quality, nutrient-rich product.

“Your bang for your buck on your hamburger is still better than buying an $8 latte,” he said.

For ranchers who still have cattle to sell, higher prices can provide an opportunity to pay down debt or potentially expand operations.

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“Maybe the plus side is that there are some people who say, ‘I could start leasing some ground from older operators',” Eisele said.

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“You hate to say you’ve got a crystal ball to tell when we’re coming out of it but that’s what we need. And no one has that,” Fornstrom said.

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“It will rain — eventually,” he said.

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<title>Wyoming Ranchers Pray For Rain As Drought, Demand Push Beef To Record High Prices | Cowboy State Daily</title>

Drought and demand are pushing beef to record high prices, leaving Wyoming ranchers praying for rain even if Americans are willing to pay more. "This is about drought, pure and simple," said a Laramie County rancher.

Wyoming Ranchers Pray For Rain As Drought, Demand Push Beef To Record High Prices

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Wyoming Life

A sprawling, high-tech medical center that once envisioned itself as the "Mayo Clinic of the West" and promised to reshape rural health care in northeast Wyoming might yet be able to fulfill at least some of that vision.

The Hoskinson family is in talks to sell its Gillette clinic to a large hospital chain, according to a post the family made Wednesday on the Hoskinson Health & Wellness Clinic Facebook page.

The sale could happen quickly, with an eye on maintaining continuity of patient care. Hoskinson Health announced in May that it would 

, citing months of multi-million-dollar financial losses. 

A potential buyer now raises the possibility that some of the family’s vision — highly advanced specialty care in a small energy town — can be retained. 

“We want to share a very hopeful and exciting update with our amazing community,” the post read. “We are currently in advanced discussions with a large hospital chain about potentially taking over the clinic’s operations!”

An agreement has not yet been finalized, but negotiations are at the stage where final words are being put to paper, the post added. 

“Both sides are fully aligned, and the spirit of the terms makes sense for everyone involved,” the post continued. “We are working diligently to get this across the finish line, but we wanted to keep you in the loop.”

Continuity of patient care is a priority for the new health-care organization, Hoskinson said in its post. 

“They are fully aware of our timeline, and are already mobilizing a team to help ensure a smooth transition,” the post said. “They are eager to speak with all of our current providers and staff, to see who they can retain moving forward.”

If realized, Hoskinson Health said the family would step back from the medical business and lease the building to the new organization, which will take full responsibility for day-to-day operations as well as employment of staff.

“We are incredibly enthusiastic about this direction,” the post continued. “We truly believe this is the absolute best outcome for our patients, our dedicated employees, and the community. Most importantly, it ensures that you will continue to have a strong, alternative choice for your health care needs.”

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Within minutes, the post had dozens of comments, mostly applauding the news or praying the deal would go through. 

“The building sitting there and all the loss of staff made me sick to think about,” Kathy Davis posted. “Oh I hope this works out.”

Commenter Tonja Slater said she is relieved.

“Can’t wait for it to be finalized and no more worries on finding a new health provider ever!!” she wrote. “Excited to see what the future brings to our community and onto our personal lives, journey, and health care!!!”

Heidi Jacobson noted the health-care provider is “very well known in the Dakotas” and said she hopes the deal “goes thru.” Tiffany Pickett Emery said it’s “Amazing news!! Continuing to remain hopeful.”

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Gillette’s Hoskinson Health & Wellness Clinic was bankrolled by cryptocurrency tycoon Charles Hoskinson and run by his family members, including William, Mark and Patty Hoskinson. 

It began as a bold experiment to reimagine rural health care starting in northeast Wyoming. The family told Cowboy State Daily in previous interviews the goal was to create the 

The family filled the 73,500-square-foot facility with cutting-edge medical technology such as the Vectra, a revolutionary, 3D whole-body imaging system used in dermatology and plastic surgery. At the time the Hoskinsons purchased the Vectra, there were just two in the country — the first at the Mayo Clinic, the second in Gillette. 

It was one of dozens of examples where the family brought cutting-edge medicine to a town of about 33,500 people. There was a dual-energy CT scanner for gout, a high-definition nuclear imaging scanner, advanced cardiac and breast MRI scans, hyperbaric oxygen therapy chambers, transcranial magnetic stimulation, and more.

The clinic also included specialties rarely found in standard community medical practices, ranging from DNA sequencing and pharmacogenomics to advanced regenerative medicine, biologics infusion, and a dedicated longevity and lifestyle center.

While the clinic stopped building at 73,500 square feet, there were plans at one time to expand to 100,000. That would have included a surgery center.

But the economics, from the start, were brutal, as Charles Hoskinson detailed in a post-mortem video he released not long after the clinic announced its closure.

In the video, Charles said the clinic had been losing millions of dollars every month, even after aggressive attempts to optimize operations. 

Primary care, he argued, is fundamentally under-reimbursed, forcing providers to see 24 to 28 patients per day just to break even — a volume that was incompatible with the slower, more thorough care model he wanted the clinic to provide.

“The Hoskinsons have been in medicine for over 70 years since the 1950s,” Charles said in the video. “And they’ve watched the entire health-care industry transform and change from mostly rural and mostly solo practitioners, or small groups — excluding cities — working basically with a direct relationship with the patient, direct financial relationship with the patient, to a system that’s become kind of a bureaucratic hellscape.”

The Gillette clinic was all about changing that, Hoskinson said. 

Even though the clinic attracted more than 20,000 patients, it wasn’t close to breaking even. It could never sustain all its state-of-the-art technology, much less the above-market wages it was paying to attract specialists to a remote corner of Wyoming. 

“I had aspirations to do something in regenerative medicine,” Charles said. “I’m a big believer in network medicine. I believe the interactome and the electrome are going to be revolutionary for human health, and with AI enhancements and personalization, they’re really going to change things so we can cure stuff.”

Interactome is the entire set of molecular interactions inside a living cell, including a complete map of interactions between proteins and DNA. Electrome refers to the complex cascade of electrical networks and signals that pass between cells and tissues.

What Hoskinson learned from starting a clinic in Gillette was disquieting, he said. 

“The reality is clinics don’t make money,” he said. “Cancer and surgery are the only two areas that really make any money, outside of the pharmaceutical side. And if you’re in primary care, the vast majority of people who are in primary care will tell you it’s a losing proposition. If you look at the economics of primary care — so internal medicine, family practice — these things on average have to see 24 to 28 patients per day to be able to break even with the infrastructure.”

That’s a patient every 15 minutes, plus a lot of paperwork on the other side, just to break even. That doesn’t include making any profit.

The situation is further complicated, Charles said, by insurance.

“When you’re doing an insurance model, you typically only collect less than half of what you bill,” he said. “It’s the only business I’ve ever been in where you have no price negotiation. It’s mandated to you what you’re roughly paid.”

Clinics, meanwhile, are not allowed to bill as much as hospitals, which means the field is anything but level.

“When you bill it, even though you’ve done the work, it’s not clear you’re actually going to get paid for it, unless you get pre-approvals,” Charles said. “And even so, there’s been cases where doctors, while operating on people, literally while in the OR, the insurance company changed their mind and said don’t want a pre-approval.”

After optimizations, Charles said the clinic cut its monthly losses from about $4 million to $1.7 million but still couldn’t get close to break-even.

“To give you a comparable, the hospital that’s in the same market, Campbell County Health, they lose more than $10 million a year, and this is after receiving a $20 million-a-year government subsidy,” Charles said, adding that he went to decision makers in the jurisdiction as well as other health-care providers to ask if any subsidies were available, but was told no.

“The American health-care system is broken,” Charles said. “We knew that going into Gillette, so we wanted to build a center of excellence and build a really cool clinic, and build it in a beautiful way for the people there in Gillette.”

For Gillette patients like Shawna Leigh Langdon, who had built life-saving care around the clinic, the negotiations stakes are high. 

Langdon, in previous interviews with Cowboy State Daily, said she relied on the clinic for weekly injections, diagnostics and specialist follow-ups for an aggressive case of rheumatoid arthritis.

Before that, she had to rely on a clinic in South Dakota — a drive so long that at times she had to cancel appointments because her body was physically unable to make the trip.

If the clinic disappeared without a comparable replacement, she feared she would be forced back into a patchwork of delayed MRIs and rescheduled surgeries that had defined her care.

Sarah Pierce, meanwhile, told Cowboy State Daily she had to travel even farther for her daughter’s specialty care — to Philadelphia. While the Hoskinson Clinic did not eliminate those trips, it reduced them — and gave the family peace of mind by having a knowledgeable provider in town.

“I don’t have any insight into the inner workings of Hoskinsons, or why they’re doing things,” she said. “But it’s definitely a disappointment, for I know myself and other people who have kids that have needs outside of the general scope of what can normally be done in a rural area. It was nice to have a provider who kind of knew more about what she has. There was some comfort in that.”

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Those kinds of experiences form the backdrop for the Hoskinson family’s negotiations with the unidentified hospital chain. It’s a high-stakes attempt to keep the facility from going dark by handing the reins to a larger system with more infrastructure and deeper pockets.

If the sale is realized along the lines described in Hoskinson Health’s Facebook post, Gillette could retain something exceedingly rare in rural America — a large, highly equipped medical facility with the potential for unusual specialty care and research programs, as well as room to grow.

For patients like Langdon and Pierce, everything depends on which services survive and still grow. Still, the prospect of a sale is real hope in a place where, not long ago, the road between them and critical care was hundreds of miles longer. 

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<title>Gillette's Hoskinson Clinic, Set To Close Next Month, Says It May Have Buyer | Cowboy State Daily</title>

Hoskinson Health & Wellness in Gillette, which envisioned itself as the "Mayo Clinic of the West" before announcing last month it would close, may have a buyer. The Hoskinson family announced Wednesday it's in talks to sell to a large hospital chain.

Gillette's Hoskinson Clinic, Set To Close Next Month, Says It May Have Buyer

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Energy

CASPER — Add some Natrona County residents to those in the state concerned about data centers and man camps in their neighborhoods raising the temperature, sucking up groundwater, affecting property values and changing their rural way of life.

Natrona County Commissioners on Tuesday heard from a handful of residents who live on the western border of the county east of Casper. 

They thanked the commissioners for not acting to bypass the state’s industrial siting board process and opt for a planned unit development (PUD) process for the Prometheus Hyperscale project’s plans in the county.

Prometheus Hyperscale last fall announced a project for western Converse County that Natrona County Development Director Sabrina Kemper reiterated Tuesday will stretch across the border.

Kemper said she last met with Prometheus officials earlier this spring. She said the company was interested in whether the county would turn to a PUD to create an industrial park for the parts of the project in Natrona County.

“Since we have zoning in Natrona County, we are able to create an industrial park for purposes such as a data center,” she said. “The power plant and man camp (are) proposed to potentially come to Natrona County.”

Commissioners showed little interest in using a county zoning tool to site the project.

Commissioner Peter Nicolaysen, who said his ranch is across from the proposed Converse County site, asked Kemper if she had an update on the project.

County Attorney Ashley Smith said she had spoken with the company’s attorney in the past week, but the discussion had just centered on whether the county would use a PUD for its portion of the project.

Commissioner Casey Coates said he has little interest in an industrial park for the project.

“I really like the industrial siting process,” he said. “I don’t think our county has the ability to scrutinize them to the level that projects such as data centers require, so for me personally, I don’t think we go down that road.”

Process Still Gives “Seat At The Table”

Nicolaysen said with the state process the county could still have “a seat at the table” in the requirements and decisions made regarding data centers on its lands.

Commissioner Dave North said he could see a benefit either way, but the county did not have enough information about the Prometheus project.

“We need more definitive information as far as what they want to put in Natrona County, where they want to put them and what the controls are going to be,” he said. “I don’t want to be in the same boat that Cheyenne is where they are making these big blanket areas.”

Prometheus founder and CEO Trenton Thornock told 

Fearful residents from east Natrona County voiced their opposition Tuesday to a proposed man camp for a Prometheus Hyperscale data center in Converse and Natrona counties. One called the proposal a “travesty” and another described it as "a sin."

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